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Q&A Interview with Ally Walker of SONS OF ANARCHY

Maj Canton - November 3, 2010

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TV Tango recently participated in a conference call with Ally Walker, who plays ATF Agent June Stahl on SONS OF ANARCHY. Ally took the time to talk about her character, being on set with Katey Sagal and working with Charlie Hunnam. Plus, she talked about what makes Kurt Sutter such a great writer.

 

 

 

 

 


Question: It was kind of a wow reveal when we saw that your character, June Stahl, has a girlfriend.  Was that a surprise to you?  Why was right now kind of the time to reveal that in the show?


Ally Walker: I'm not really sure why the timing was right.  You'd have to ask Kurt Sutter that.

 

But no, actually it wasn't a surprise to me.  Last year, I had filmed a scene in bed with a female lover, so I'd kind of built that into the character last year.  Stahl, obviously, is kind of a sociopath.  At least that's how I sort of like to play her. She's an opportunist. It's not really about her sexuality. I think she is gay probably, but I think she swings both ways depending on what works for her.  So no, it wasn't a surprise to me.  I actually had it last year and I loved it, but for some reason, they cut it out.

 



Question: Does your character have a moral compass?


Ally Walker: When I got the character given to me, there was a lot thrown to me right away with Stahl.  In order to really kind of understand her, I had to sort of understand that whatever worked for her in that moment was how I was going to go with it. That  she really is a sociopath, whatever works for her. So she's kind of like this wonderful little actress. At least that's what I like to think. I don't know if she's so wonderful, but that's what I did with her. I just made everything, anything that was to her advantage, she was lovely.  She could turn on a dime, and I really like that.

 



Question: Did you have a strong lesbian fan base before your character kind of came out on the show?


Ally Walker: I really don't know, oddly enough. I believe I did. I certainly don't want people to see June's sexuality as part of her being evil. I was concerned about that. That's really why June slept with [Deputy Chief David] Hale. 

 

I think June is an opportunist more than she is anything else. If it's going to help, and I think this woman makes her feel good.   She's very good looking and that kind of makes June feel good. I think June is kind of sort of beyond sexuality anyway. I'd classify June as an opportunist -- whatever works for her.

 


Question: It seems like your character has evolved over the course of the show. It seemed like she was going to be the big bad of season one and then go away, but your role has become this interesting wild card.  Was this always the plan?


Ally Walker: No, no. It wasn't. I was asked to do three shows. I know Kurt from working on THE SHIELD, and Kurt asked me to come in. TELL ME YOU LOVE ME had just gone down, and he asked me to come in for three shows. I said, "Sure," because I really love his writing and I loved the concept of the show. 

 

I love the character. She was kind of wild. No, I just kept getting written for. It was really an honor. I mean, Kurt was really lovely to me. I guess she was just a good bad guy so they kept writing, and she got more and more outlandish, which is really fun to play.  So, I'm very appreciative of what Kurt Sutter did for me.

 


Question: Your character is in a weird spot because the agent is usually the hero by bending the rules to make her case, but here she's the thorn in the side. How do you strike this balance?


Ally Walker: Well, that's an interesting question and that's actually what I used to laugh at. In the beginning, I said, "Look guys, I'm on the side of right. You guys aren't." I think the way that I sort of painted the character is that everything that she's doing is for the right outcome.

 

If you really look at her reasoning behind everything, the problem with her is her own ego has gotten in her way, and now it's all about June. It was probably always this way. It's so personal that she wants to win.  It's not about doing the right thing anymore. It's about, "I'm going to beat you at your own game." In that respect, she lowers herself.  But I really do believe that June is sociopathic, at least that's how I play her.  I think in her mind, she's always right.

 


Question: Do you know what's in store for Agent Stahl and how long you're going to be on the show?


Ally Walker: Yes, I know  what's happening with Stahl but I'm not saying anything. And no, I don't know how long I'll be on the show.

 


Question: When you read a script, what are some of your initial reactions to how far your character is willing to go to to get her way?


Ally Walker: There are so many leaps with the character. She just flies over all the logical steps to get somewhere sometimes. At first it really scared me. I sort of like to take baby steps, but with her I just had to just sort of jump. I'm used to playing much humbler characters, if you will, with sort of normal thought patterns. Sometimes I literally go, "Oh my god. Oh my god. How am I going to do this? This is ridiculous." But somehow I just hang on and it goes.  I just try to keep it real but it's a pretty big step. Stahl's a little nutty. But it's a lot of fun, I will say that.

 


Question: Have you ever thought one thing about your character Stahl and then get a script and think, "Oh, I was completely wrong about that?"


Ally Walker: Yes. Actually, this was a difficult character for me to embrace in the beginning because I came off TELL ME YOU LOVE ME, which was very very real and very down to earth.  It was a little bit tough for me at first to kind of get my head around playing someone who was kind of amoral and didn't really follow the logical steps that one would take. So I kind of had to find her. But after a few episodes, I was like, "Oh, I get it. Okay." She's out there. I tend to play things real close to the bone, and this person was not close to any bones that I really ever had. She's a, trip. At first, it was like "Huh, am I going to really do that?" and then I went, "Yeah, okay." I really enjoyed it. It was a learning experience for me. It really was. It was very fun and very scary for me to do the role. She's very different than anyone I'd done.

 


Question: Do you think there's an element of jealousy that Stahl feels towards that fraternal, familial bond that Sons of Anarchy have?  We don't know much of her back story, but it seems like she's a bit of a loner?


Ally Walker: Yes, that's a very interesting question.  I don't think anyone ever had June's back. I see a very disturbed background with a very bad childhood, who suddenly had to fend for themselves and kind of turn and become chameleon-like, and whatever face that needed to be put on was put on to take care of themselves. I think she's very jealous of the SAMCRO family bond. I think she doesn't like it at all. I think she's out to destroy it. I think in the beginning it was less personal with her, but I think it has become over the years extremely personal with her.

 


Question: Obviously, Otto is in jail, but he may be paroled.  Who does June Stahl fear more? Otto or Opie, as far as retaliation?


Ally Walker: I don't think June fears either one of those guys. Opie kind of let me go and so because he let me go, I have no respect for him. So I don't really fear Opie anymore in sort of my twisted mind. Otto, I don't think that I would allow him to get to me. I think I would be able to keep tabs and watch out.

 

I think what June Stahl fears is that she missed a step in her trickery, that she didn't cover all her bases. If she ever feels doubtful about having screwed anyone, that's what will scare her. She can't slip up. I think it's more of a mental thing for her. She fears people who are smart and what she doesn't see coming. But of course, her ego is so out of control I don't think she sees a lot coming.

 


Question: Your character didn't really mourn Hale's death too much, did she?


Ally Walker: Not at all. She didn't have a feeling for him. I don't think she cared for him. She thought he was an idiot. I mean really, if you look at the character, there's only those who can do for June and those who can't.

 


Question: Is there a scene that you're particularly proud of?


Ally Walker: Yes, there's a few scenes. I think the writing on the show's been pretty good.

 

I think it was season one right before Donna died, where I'm interrogating Opie and I'm just kind of screwing him over. I'm just doing it with sort of this relishing. Then there's the interrogation scene when Jax was in prison, which I really like because he kind of came right back at me. Of course, I love the scene with Gemma in the 7-Eleven, where I'm stepping over the agents and confronting her.


I think what I like about the character -- what Kurt writes -- is that there's just a lot of black comedy with my character, which is just so great because it just spices everything up and it makes it really fun to try to hit those. There's a few coming towards the end of this season that are just really good that Kurt wrote. I'm sorry. I can't be more specific.


Question: You have a lot of tense scenes with Gemma and Jax, how does it all seem to actually translate off the page?  Is there ever anything that needs to be changed in order to improve or make the scene work better?


Ally Walker: The thing of Kurt Sutter is he's really a wonderful writer. There's not a lot of changing with Kurt. He likes us actors to really adhere to the script, which I respect. He's a very good writer. He has thought everything through. 

 

I try to gather as much information and just kind of bathe in it before I shoot. Then on the set, new things will come. You pick up things and subtleties in an actor's performance that will change your reaction. It's all kind of listening and reacting, and we have this history now. For example, Charlie and I did a scene that I thought we'd never do. It was very seductive and kind of creepy. Charlie and I at the end of the scene were like, "Whoa, what was that?" But it played beautifully and Kurt was really happy. None of us could have seen that coming. It was kind of this intimate little dance of threatening each other that was really kind of sexual—there's like a lot of sexual undertones, which is really weird, but it was fun to play.

 


Question: You seem to have a lot of chemistry with all the characters but especially Jax and Clay. Who would you like to see June with the most?


Ally Walker: You mean in like in a relationship? Well, I think that's kind of obvious, don't you? Jax. No. I don't know. He's awfully sexy, that Charlie Hunnam. But you know, I think  Katey Sagal's pretty hot, too. Katey's a really good friend of mine, but I guess if I wanted to see June with anyone, it would have to be Jax, I'm sorry.

 


Question: Who is your favorite performer to work with?


Ally Walker: That's tough to say. I mean all of them really. I love working with Katey. Katey and Charlie. 

 

I've had most of my sort of deeper scenes with these guys, and we just kind of hum along together. Katey and I are good buddies, so it's been a real pleasure for me to get to work with her. I think Charlie is just a soulful little actor. I just really love working with Charlie.  I love working with Ron too. I worked with him in two films.  It's just a good group.

 

There's no one, but those are the three I really worked with the most, so I would have to say I really enjoy working with those guys.

 


Question: What's everyone like when the cameras aren't rolling?


Ally Walker: Really sweet and funny. Funny, funny, funny. It's been my experience that when you have a really dark show—like when I was doing PROFILER or if there's ever a really scary show—the crew kind of lets loose and the actors by being funny and kind of goofy. The guys are really funny. Ron Perlman is hilarious, and Katey and I gab about where to go get facials. It's like really normal and funny. It's a good group of guys. Very sweet group of boys. I love the boys. They're great.

 


Question: What's it like working for Kurt Sutter?


Ally Walker: I think Kurt's different as a creator for different people. My experience of Kurt has always been a really professional lovely one. I like Kurt very much. As I said, I worked with him on THE SHIELD. He is a very, very, very smart guy and very intense guy. Kurt's a sweetie with me. I think people have a different experience with him.

 

When you read some of the stuff he writes, I'm like, "Geesh, Kurt.  Back off buddy. Let's not get too—"  But he's a very passionate guy and he feels what he feels very deeply. He doesn't sugar coat it. If I don't do something that Kurt likes, he's like, "No Al." I know he means business. It's like if I say, "Well, why would I—"  He's like "No." But I don't really ever question him because I respect him as a writer. He knows exactly where you're going. You don't have to be fearful. He's got you. I admire that. That's a very good writer there and I like writers.

 


Question: What do you think makes SONS OF ANARCHY such a unique show?


Ally Walker: There's the obvious sort of bad-boy element, but I also think that the soulfulness and the sort of family bonds that these people have—the way they watch each other's back—is a very old-fashioned notion, if you will. Maybe not old-fashioned, but it's a romantic notion. You don't  really see a lot of that anymore. It's become much more of a narcissistic society and people don't hang together. This is really a wonderful  family. They all take good care of each other. There are codes that they live by that are very  honorable. I think that really appeals to people, especially in tough times, knowing that people have your back and they definitely do.

 


Question: What was easier for you to play, was it the nice Sam on PROFILER or this ruthless, not-so-nice June on SONS OF ANARCHY?


Ally Walker: I think both of them were easy in different ways. I think it's been really fun for me as an actor, after playing Sam and after playing Katie in TELL ME YOU LOVE ME and sort of these kind of pure, sweet people to sink my teeth into someone so vile as June Stahl. I really love this turn because there's just nothing off the table.  She'll do anything to get what she wants. I just applaud her ruthlessness. It's kind of nice. It's a nice twist for me.

 


Question: What else can you tell us about your Lifetime pilot, EXIT 19?  How did the project come to you?


Ally Walker: My agents sent me the script for EXIT 19 and I just loved it. I just went, "Oh." I loved it.  Then they got me an offer. I've sort of stayed away from being a regular on a series for a really long time. I did ME, but it was so ensemble. I worked like two days a week, which was great because my children were very little at the time. Now it's been ten years since I got off PROFILER and I went, "It's okay."  I wanted to come back and it's just kind of fortuitous that this thing landed in my lap. It's just really good. It's very sweet, and it can be dark but it's funny and it's quirky. I love that. It's not one thing, it's a lot of things. I think the writing is excellent.

 


Question: Do you or Agent Stahl have any aspirations to ride a motorcycle?


Ally Walker: I had a boyfriend from Germany when I was about 22 years old, and I used to sit on the back of that bike. I actually have no aspirations to ride a motorcycle ever again. Agent Stahl has probably ridden several motorcycles, and it bores her by this point. She looks down on them. At the end of the day, it's just a stupid way to get around.

 


Question: I was wondering what Agent Stahl wants for Christmas this year?


Ally Walker: I always think a bullwhip is a good thing for Agent Stahl. Or whips and spurs maybe.  I don't know.